Meta:Babel/Archives/2014-04

Users are being forced to log out

Wikimedia users (Meta included) are being forced to log out and log-in again due to a vulnerability discovered in the OpenSSL implementation of the SSL and TLS protocols.

Wikimedia Foundation servers have been affected, and had their OpenSSL version updated earlier today; as a precautionary measure, all user session tokens will be reset — which causes the loss of session and forces users to log-in again using new, secure tokens.

Wikimedia Foundation also recommends that users change the passwords they use to log-in to wikis. Read more. Sincerely, odder (talk) 21:22, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Enabling an opt-in VisualEditor preference on Meta

I would like to be able to use VE on Meta. I've started to use it regularly on other wikis, and find it quite handy. Is there any reason not to make this available as an opt-in preference here? I believe this means that VE tabs would not be visible to editors unless they opt in. –SJ talk  01:47, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

I would support this, but you're on the wrong page; this should be proposed on Meta:Babel. ;) PiRSquared17 (talk) 01:50, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Moved. :-) --MZMcBride (talk) 02:31, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Seems reasonable to me. I'd personally prefer VisualEditor to be (at least) opt-in on all Wikimedia wikis. (cc: Jdforrester) --MZMcBride (talk) 02:31, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Yeah; I'm not sure why some people are so opposed to letting others use it. -- Ypnypn (talk) 02:38, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

I agree with MZMcBride, Ypnypn, and proposal. There's no reason to prevent others from using it, the same goes for all wikis. PiRSquared17 (talk) 02:42, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Actually, there is a reason – until the Translate extension is fixed to let VisualEditor interact with it properly, wikis with lots of use of page translation (of which Meta is the pre-eminent example) will be really messy to use with VE. I was planning to offer it here after at least bug 50284 is fixed (so VE isn't offered on translation output pages). If the community are happy to put up with that bug, then sure, we can roll it out today… Jdforrester (WMF) (talk) 16:58, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, PiR², you are right of course! And thanks all including Jdforrester for the replies. I would be glad to put up with that bug. Only people who really want to use VE will turn it on, and active translators already know to use the translation interface instead. I imagine any misuses on translated pages, during the window that the bug is open, will be few and readily reverted. –SJ talk  00:00, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

[1] is allegedly ready for merge, I'd rather wait some more days and avoid bad moods over it. Some users get very confused and loud about such small things. --Nemo 00:07, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Ok. So long as it's clear there's an active request for opt-in availability. Warmly, –SJ talk  00:48, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Just wondering, can we limit VE to a set number of pages? Like having some special parserfunc or switch similar to {{#useliquidthreads:1}}... TeleComNasSprVen (talk) 08:49, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

VisualEditor can currently be configured per-namespace but not per-page. If anyone has suggestions on the namespaces to use/to avoid (all talk namespaces should presumably be avoided, but what else?), then this discussion would be a good place to post them. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 22:37, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Whatamidoing (WMF), possible to enable VE as opt-in for Grants and Programs namespaces? Jmorgan (WMF) (talk) 18:45, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

@Sj, PiRSquared17, MZMcBride, Ypnypn, Nemo bis, TeleComNasSprVen, Whatamidoing (WMF), and Jmorgan (WMF): OK, the bug is fixed so we're ready to go; I will get VisualEditor enabled for opt-in here this afternoon, for the normal namespaces (main, user, file, category) and the Grants and Programs namespaces. As normal, I'm not enabling it for talk namespaces, or for the Project (Meta:) namespace, as that's discussion-focussed, and absent a request I won't enable it for Research, Participation, and Ibercoop namespaces. Change: 125774 Jdforrester (WMF) (talk) 19:06, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Done. Jdforrester (WMF) (talk) 23:36, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Nice. Thanks for the quick turnaround! Jmorgan (WMF) (talk) 00:43, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, James and Ori. --MZMcBride (talk) 01:56, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

Hi Jdforrester (WMF). I'm not sure if there's a better spot to request, but could we also get VE opt-in enables for Research:? --Halfak (WMF) (talk) 00:53, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

@Halfak (WMF): Sure – will put it in the next config release push. Jdforrester (WMF) (talk) 15:38, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

Very fine, thank you. –SJ talk  19:33, 15 April 2014 (UTC)