Meta:Babel/Archives/2011-10

Special:Contributions without namespace filter

For those wondering why Special:Contributions is broken right now: it's part of the 1.18 deployment (hopefully temporary), see bugzilla:31197. Nemo 21:46, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

Uninvolved sysop eyes

Would be welcome at Don't be a dick and its talk page. One sysop is wearing two hats (as involved editor on the essay and as sysop) and I think the recent revert there by him should be checked. Several have asked him to "self-revert" without success. Cheers. And apologies if this is the "wrong noticeboard". Collect 13:37, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

Requests for comment/Stewards' question: How to make your Wikimedian life easier?

This request for comment, created by Millosh more than two months ago, still need some opinions. It would be nice if people that did not give their opinion could express themselves. Thanks -- Quentinv57 ^(talk) 17:55, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Enable {{DISPLAYTITLE:}} for meta

{{DISPLAYTITLE:}} overrides whats displayed on title which is useful particularly for disambiguation cases. Portada/Es could appear as "Portada" for example. This is posted here per consensus request from a developer at bugzilla:31263 -- とある白い猫 ^chi? 06:59, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

DISPLAYTITLE is generally used for typographic effects, such as overriding capitalization of the initial character or italicizing the title of a publication. I would strongly oppose using it to actually change the words of the title because it would lead to all sorts of confusion. What you are proposing to do is deprecated for good reason at w:Wikipedia:Page name#Changing the displayed title: "The displayed title must still resolve to the true name of the page (i.e. if the displayed title is copied and pasted into a wikilink, the link should point to the original page)." ~ Ningauble 15:57, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

It would lead to the same information though. If you type Portada it leads you to the disambiguation page. If you click on Portada/es it loads Portada/es which isn't really spanish but its spanish/iso code. The proposal only intends to hide the /es part while the reader navigates to the relevant page. Perhaps a small text under the title (like in redirected pages) could explain what happened. -- とある白い猫 ^chi? 18:36, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

The problem is that it can't be enabled in a limited way like that. There are two versions of the extension. The one that is enabled on en.wp, en.ws, etc. allows Portada/Es to be displayed "portada/es" or more commonly, "E. e. cummings" to be displayed as "e. e. cummings". Both resolve the same to begin with, so all it does is overcome a limitation of the wiki software that always uses initial caps. In that implementation it is harmless. The other version allows the name to be changed completely. So yes, you could change "Portada/es" to display as "Portada" which is only bad in a technical/purist way, but you could also change it to read "Foobar" and that is very bad. There is no way to limit this in an acceptable way. It mainly exists for use on non-WMF (aka "private") wikis. It is important to be able to copy/paste the page title so you can avoid copying the underscores and special characters from the address bar.

For details compare: mw:Manual:$wgAllowDisplayTitle and mw:Manual:$wgRestrictDisplayTitle--Doug.^{(talk • contribs)} 10:16, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

If all you want is to make Portada/Es appear as "Portada", you don't need $wgRestrictDisplayTitle = false. {{DISPLAYTITLE:Portada<span style="display: none">/Es</span>}} will get you the result you're looking for, while making sure the display title can't be changed to "Foobar" or something equally irrelevant. Reach Out to the Truth 18:34, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

OS Election problems

The Oversight policy requires at least 25-30 contributors to a Wiki to be in support of an Oversighter as a minimum. It also requires at least 7 days discussion. This was closed with neither of those minimums met. There was blatant canvassing, using numbers to make non supports look like supports, and people making claims that were not true or show that there shouldn't be any OS (Der Hexer states that he would resign to have Courcelles be an OS, but that would leave only one active OS which is not acceptable within policy as they need to operate in 2s).

Policy says nothing about the number of active oversighters there must be, only that two people be in the local group. fr33kman 23:36, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Why are we turning a blind eye to this situation? If Courcelles was truly a good candidate, why are there so many problems related to this? If we really need OS, the only logical thing to do is remove all local OS and have only Stewards handle it as every other small wiki does. Yes, Meta is a small wiki and doesn't have enough votes outside of canvassing to get an OS. That should concern people but apparently it hasn't. Ottava Rima (talk) 18:49, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

I have asked Ottava, on IRC, for direct evidence that Courcelles canvassed anyone. I got no evidence whatsoever. I have also told him that I think the closure was still valid even if it was performed 5 hours early. The response I got was that there were 5 people about to comment. I asked how he knew that and received "because I talked to them :P". Regards, fr33kman 23:36, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Languages offered and web traffic correlation

Does the following question exist in someone's research somewhere, or in the many pages of wikimedia?

How much does a wikipedia page's traffic increase, on average, for every language an article offers?

For example, the randomly generated wikipedia page "Śleszyński–Pringsheim theorem" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%9Aleszy%C5%84ski%E2%80%93Pringsheim_theorem) offers only English, and probably gets very, very few hits. But the United Nations' page "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_United_Nations" is offered in 162 languages, and probably gets very, very high traffic. How would one get statistics on this? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Go0danplenty (talk • contribs) 21:34, 4 October 2011 (UTC).

21:34, 4 October 2011 (UTC)