Community Wishlist Survey 2023/Notifications, Watchlists and Talk Pages/Communicate local and global announcements through notifications rather than banners
Communicate local and global announcements through notifications rather than banners
- Problem: Global and local announcements are frequent, intrusive, sometimes irrelevant to the reader, and cause layout shifts.
- Proposed solution: Allow for local and global announcements to be communicated through the notification system where it makes sense
- Who would benefit: Everyone using Wikipedia.
- More comments: This proposal is to allow for communications to happen through the notification system where it makes sense and not to replace banners. Communicating announcements through notifications would allow users to read them at their own time, without interrupting other activities. Furthermore, since Wikipedia doesn't overload users with notifications, and it's the user itself who clicks the bell icon to see the notification, it's possible that announcements communicated through notifications may be read with more attention than usual, therefore increasing their effectiveness.
- Phabricator tickets:
- Proposer: Sophivorus (talk) 13:02, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
Discussion
- Additionally, mobile site (m.wiki) users are never shown MediaWiki:Sitenotice, and that's more than half of all users. ponor (talk) 18:26, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
- That would make those announcements a lot harder to notice and read and somewhat defeat the purpose. There is a lot to be said IMO for improved banner controls so it's easier to keep track of what banners are running and limit how often the same user sees them (and to get rid of the overlapping system of local and global notices), but notifications are not the right mechanism for that. It would also require a major rewrite of both banners (CentralNotice) and notifications (Echo) which isn't really realistic. --Tgr (talk) 04:59, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
- Some mildly relevant CentralNotice tasks which might be easier to fix: T138572, T52865 --Tgr (talk) 06:40, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
- Pinging the proposer @Sophivorus for their input. I agree it seems like this proposal may be focusing too much on a solution and less about the problem. There are several systems involved here, CentralNotice is one of them but some communities also use Geonotices. For a single proposal, it would be too much to ask I think to consolidate and solve them all. I also agree with Tgr that perhaps notifications aren't the best solution.
- Would you mind trimming down this proposal to something smaller, and focusing on the problem? Perhaps issues with CentralNotice, in particular (or one of the other systems if those are more important to you).
- Note we have until this coming Thursday to get this resolved. I'm sorry we're running so short on time! Another option is to leave this proposal as-is and move it to our Larger suggestions category so it can get the attention it deserves from leadership. Thanks and regards, MusikAnimal (WMF) (talk) 23:53, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
- Some mildly relevant CentralNotice tasks which might be easier to fix: T138572, T52865 --Tgr (talk) 06:40, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
- @Sophivorus: Since we didn't hear back from you I'm slightly modifying the proposal and accepting it. DMaza (WMF) (talk) 19:39, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
- May I add that many sites and apps already communicate stuff via notifications, so it's not like we're proposing something new. Sophivorus (talk) 01:46, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
Voting
- Strong support —2dk (talk) 19:01, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
- Support PureTuber (talk) 22:16, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
- Support Boehm (talk) 23:34, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
- Support عُثمان (talk) 23:51, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
- Support * Pppery * it has begun 03:58, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
- Support Lt2818 (talk) 04:33, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
- Support Much needed Soumendrak (talk) 06:45, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
- Support Janhrach (talk) 07:22, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
- Support Banners definitively bore me. CaféBuzz (talk) 10:44, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
- Support Lupe (talk) 13:03, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
- Support SVcode (talk) 14:42, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
- Support OwenBlacker (Talk) 15:07, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
- Support Rots61 (talk) 16:28, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
- Support The use of banners needs to be reined in considerably. Radio-Somewhere (talk) 16:58, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
- Support Novak Watchmen (talk) 17:21, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
- Support Per OP Sophivorus (talk) 01:46, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
- Support Betseg (talk) 04:14, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
- Support Thomas Kinz (talk) 00:26, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
- Support Izno (talk) 07:47, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
- Support Wargo (talk) 21:42, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
- Support Wikiusuarios (talk) 19:39, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
- Support Sadads (talk) 01:21, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
- Support Doktor Züm (talk) 06:52, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
- Support Aishik Rehman (talk) 07:53, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
- Support cyrfaw (talk) 14:47, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
- Support This is useful for users as they tend to focus on notifications. Thingofme (talk) 02:27, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
- Support Fabius Lector (talk) 11:03, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
- Support Matěj Suchánek (talk) 12:24, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
- Support · · · Peter (Southwood) (talk): 14:27, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
- Support Molnár Gábor Dávid (talk) 17:08, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
- Support 511KeV (talk) 17:10, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
- Support Albinfo (talk) 21:36, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
- Support Elucches (talk) 22:47, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
- Support Give me all your money, you loser! Kays (talk) 03:47, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
- Support Kess (talk) 06:05, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
- Support given that mobile users don't see the site notice unless they switch to the desktop version of the site. Alfa-ketosav (talk) 14:42, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
- Support Hans5958 (talk) 05:46, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
- Support Jeeputer (talk) 05:40, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
- Support Kalendar (talk) 06:20, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
- Support. —— Eric Liu(Talk) 03:54, 24 February 2023 (UTC)