Communication Projects Group/Meetings/2007-05-16

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( 22:07:26 Topic for #wikimedia-cpg: Wikimedia Communication Projects Group | http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/ComProj | Meetings are being held every Wednesday, 1930 UTC (9:30 PM BST) | Note: Channel logs will be public
( 22:07:26 Topic set by schiste [] [Wed May  9 20:14:03 2007]
( 22:08:43  Martinp23 ) Should we not be meeting now? :)
( 22:11:54       cary ) the Meetings says 20:30 because nobody changed it
( 22:12:06       cary ) wait...it's past 20:30
( 22:13:00  Martinp23 ) it's 21:57
( 22:13:06  Martinp23 ) BST
( 22:13:24  Martinp23 ) or 22:13, depending on which of my computer clocks you look at ;)
( 22:14:02  Martinp23 ) cary, CraigSpurrier_aw, HistoryBuff, LeBron, Platonides, seanw, symode09, WalterBE
( 22:14:06  Martinp23 ) Ready for a meeting?
( 22:14:23       cary ) I am, as I'll ever be
( 22:14:53            * WalterBE So meta is correct, it is 20:30 (+/-) and not 19:30 (topic)
( 22:15:00       cary ) Note:  We can accomplish something, but given the circumstances this week... don't consider it a failure if we do not accomplish a wide swath of things this week
( 22:15:08       cary ) WalterBE: I think 19:30 was last week's time
( 22:15:18  Martinp23 ) yes - seems so
( 22:15:45      topic = 'Wikimedia Communication Projects Group | http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/ComProj | Meetings are being held every Wednesday, 2030 UTC (9:30 PM BST) | Note: Channel logs will be public' on #wikimedia-cpg[set by Martinp23]
( 22:16:03 CraigSpurr = CraigSpurrier
( 22:16:19  Platonide ) the topic should be the most current time... sigh
( 22:17:02  Martinp23 ) I've just fixed it to tie in with the time now, and the time already in the topic for BST :)
( 22:18:02  Martinp23 ) The most pertinent issue at the moment is our aim - any ideas for our scope?
( 22:18:29       cary ) ah
( 22:18:31       cary ) hang on
( 22:20:10       cary ) nm...I didn't find it
( 22:20:50       cary ) I had seen earlier Sandy's original notes
( 22:21:34  Martinp23 ) http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Communication_Projects_Group/announcement
( 22:21:59  Martinp23 ) This tell us that we will do, "specialized communications requests, such as researching press lists, analyzing media coverage,"
( 22:21:59       cary ) Right
( 22:24:20  Martinp23 ) According to that page, our scope is "anything that ComCOm doesn't do" - is this a correct interpretation cary?
( 22:24:52       cary ) Well, I don't think ComCom is going to dance naked in the rain...so I don't think we mean "anything"
( 22:25:24  Martinp23 ) or, better, "Various publicity and communications tasks to assist the work of ComCom and facilitate inter-project communications"?
( 22:25:26  Martinp23 ) lol
( 22:25:43  Platonide ) lol²
( 22:26:08       cary ) yes
( 22:26:32   WalterBE ) "to assist the work of ComCom". And what does the comcom actualy does?
( 22:27:00       cary ) Nothing lately
( 22:28:24  Martinp23 ) I think I once heard ComProj's work to be "the grunt work of ComCom" - press lists, getting translators motivated for press releases, graphics, publicity, doing the background work (like helping with the Press pack and some press releases)
( 22:29:30   WalterBE ) Well, then it must be a feasible goal to assist the comcom with that
( 22:29:32       cary ) That sounds like a lot of what we do
( 22:30:33  Martinp23 ) ComCom -- communicates with --> outside world  (OTRS, pres releases)
( 22:31:08  Martinp23 ) Projects -- Communucate via ComProj --> With ComCom
( 22:32:00  Martinp23 ) and ideas formulated by ComCom may be passed down to ComProj to be acted upon (as we have a far more active, and available, user base (in theory, at least))
( 22:34:10  Martinp23 ) also, I suppose we would do informal research for either our own interests, and for ComCom
( 22:34:51  Martinp23 ) And it has been mentioned that ComProj members who have a project to develop can ask here for help, and get it
( 22:36:04       cary ) Yes
( 22:36:07       cary ) Get help and support
( 22:39:37   WalterBE ) then a special channel to contact to devs must be created and very clear instructions from the WMF must be given that those requests need to be taken care of.
( 22:40:41   WalterBE ) Otherwise it will get stuck at begging on #wikimedia-tech and bugzilla tickets to get anything done
( 22:42:41       cary ) wait, what?
( 22:42:51       cary ) I mean, example?
( 22:45:38  Martinp23 ) like a new language Wikiquote or something?
( 22:45:57  Platonide ) in which sense would these requests be different than normal ones?
( 22:46:25  Martinp23 ) I suppose that collaboration amongst comproj for such a project would be just as valid - I was thinking of projects like [[m:S]] or something
( 22:46:26   unilinky ) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/m:S
( 23:00:34       cary ) Don't worry that it's a bit of a slow meeting
( 23:00:34       cary ) we expected this
( 23:00:35            * HistoryBuff peeks in
( 23:00:35       cary ) ah, throw your $.02 in
( 23:00:35            * Platonides leaves
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( 23:00:35            * HistoryBuff casts $.02 CDN in
( 23:00:35       cary ) wow
( 23:00:35       cary = bastique
( 23:00:35            * HistoryBuff reads to catch up
( 23:00:36  HistoryBu ) We're supposed to be doing just "grunt work" for comcom ... or will this include facilitating better inter-wiki co-operation?
( 23:00:36   bastique ) yes
( 23:01:06  Martinp23 ) both
( 23:04:47  HistoryBu ) Ah ok ;)
( 23:05:15  HistoryBu ) It doesn't appear there is any "grand strategy" yet
( 23:06:23  HistoryBu ) Should we tackle that at all?
( 23:06:27  Martinp23 ) Well, I think that it is effectively impossible for us to have one
( 23:06:43   bastique ) not necessarily
( 23:06:50  Martinp23 ) By definition, we do "odd jobs"
( 23:07:51  HistoryBu ) even with "odd jobs", we can still be working towards a grand goal.
( 23:07:53   bastique ) But there are ongoing things
( 23:08:02   bastique ) a larger goal is to foster participation
( 23:08:08  Martinp23 ) That said, a mission statement should be forumlated, outlining what we might be asked to do, and what services we make use of...
( 23:08:21  Martinp23 ) OK
( 23:08:27  HistoryBu ) Even something simple like "Improving communications among the projects" is a strategy.
( 23:08:39   bastique ) One of the benefits of having different duties is that it never gets boring
( 23:09:26  HistoryBu ) Having a grand strategy doesn't mean it has to be boring ... or you have to do the same thing twice ;)
( 23:09:33   bastique ) Right
( 23:09:38  Martinp23 ) indeed
( 23:09:58  Martinp23 ) So, any ideas for such a statement/strategy?
( 23:11:40  HistoryBu ) Well, an obvious one is better Inter project collab and communications
( 23:14:28   bastique ) I need to head home
( 23:17:51  HistoryBu ) ok ... is that a meeting wrap then?
( 23:19:17   bastique ) Dunno.  Is someone collecting the log?
( 23:20:02   bastique ) You guys keep going.  I need to head out.
( 23:20:13   bastique ) someone can collect the log, right?
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( 23:30:12            * Martinp23 has a log
( 23:30:27  Martinp23 ) Shall we wrap up then?
( 23:31:57  Martinp23 ) In summary, we haven't had many attendees to this evening's meeting, but we discussed the role of ComProj, and threw many ideas around.  A mission statement of sorts was deemed to be neccessary.  The issue needs further discussion, with a wider participation.
( 23:32:00  Martinp23 ) The end :)
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( 23:35:00  Martinp23 ) I'll upload the log ASAP